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Derakor

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PostSubject: For all you complainers.   Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:03 pm

Start helping! Otherwise, shut up. You guys think the Constitution sucks and think its the true constitution, then make it yourself. It's a freaking draft, its obviously going to change! It was put there to get US thinking about what we are going to put as our rules as well as ensure that any government doesn't abuse this nation.

But hey, like S33vald and some of you are saying, I don't know squat and shouldn't even do anything. So hey, you know what? If you guys are so awesome and so perfectly able to do things, THEN DO IT! This is getting ridiculous.

Get over yourselves, get over the differences between all of us, and start thinking about how you can help make Estonia a great nation. Start thinking about what the Constitution needs to have or not have without BASHING it or anyone. Be Constructive, or else leave because you are going to ruin this nation otherwise.

I'm sorry if I sound a little mad, but I am because I don't understand why you people insist on being so retarded over this. Stop complaining, start doing. And tell people you are doing it.

I'm doing everything in my power to get this nation going on the right foot. If you want to shoot that foot, do it somewhere else.

Also, want to really help our nation? Join the Estonian Defence Forces! Just look for the thread in the New citizen Lounge where the link to the Enlistment Application is, fill it out, and presto I'll get you on your way to a Military Career.

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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:01 pm

I think you are doing a god job Derakor:)

I think that a constitution is a good idea:) i dont know if you did this alone, or with some other people, but i think that to make a constitution is a job for about 4-5 people.

but its good to see some iniative^^
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:32 pm

Yeah guys, give D a break.
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:20 am

Hey! Goof you Derakor! --> jocolor

If you're so smart why don't you tell me what's wrong with this economic policy proposal:

http://estonia.forumotion.com/estonian-market-f7/ja-kelly-s-social-credit-economic-policies-t47.htm

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No.

Really.

Please?
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:50 am

I don't know anything about it. Fact is, that stuff I leave to someone else's expertise. Notice I never really said much in the way of the Economic Policy at all. Or anything else to do with the Economy. That's someone else's thing, who can do it better then I could ever dream of. I'm not saying I'm so freaking smart. I'm just trying to get you people to THINK! There's tons to do, and we have no room for complainers!

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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:15 am

I personaly think that youre doing a great work and you should continue doing it and by the way, Minister of Defence is Kaitseminister, with only 1 "e" Smile
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:39 am

Dear fellow citizens,

I have observed that a pseudo-government has been formed in the few days are country has existed. Not only has power already been distributed among a few but also a constitution has appeared, which in theory speaks for us all. About these two points, I'd like to mention a few aspects.

Just for starters, have we discussed about the Constitution? Has EVERYONE agreed about the Constitution text? Since the answer is NO, I suggest whoever has a draft of THEIR own suggested Constitution should post it in a special forum where all citizens of eEstonia can debate about it. Economical and political orientation aspects are crucial for this document. However, they are absolutely useless if the people don't decide which clauses they want and which ones they don't want. I understand everyone is a bit edgy about the current situation (elections and all), but you must remember that a democracy takes time to build up. Rome wasn't built in three days. Right now, people who claim to be ministers, presidents or of the sort are fooling themselves in thinking they are building a democracy. This road will only lead to an oligarchy. I admire greatly the efforts of the people who have helped bring this country to existence. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean that you have been chosen to rule over us.

But enough for the chatter, the elections will show our true faces.

Good luck to you all!

Sincerely yours,

Voronwe

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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:12 pm

Dear Voronwe,

The proposed Constitution is posted in the forums so everyone can debate and all its clauses. It also happens to have been published in a forum where anyone can start new threads.

http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-i-and-ii-general-provisions-and-the-fudamental-rights-freedoms-and-duties-t20.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapter-iii-and-iv-the-people-and-the-riigikogu-congress-t21.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-v-and-vi-the-president-of-the-republic-and-the-government-of-the-republic-t22.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-vii-and-viii-legislation-and-the-finance-and-state-budget-t23.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-ix-and-x-foreign-relations-and-international-treaties-and-national-defence-t24.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-xi-xii-and-xiii-the-state-audit-office-the-courts-and-amendment-of-the-constitution-t25.htm

In other words: all of your demands were met before you wrote them, except that nobody but Derakor has had any proposals to make.

"The elections will show our true faces." Not bloody likely.
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:32 pm

<3 Derakor Smile
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:19 pm

Thank you John.A.Kelly and logo, what you doing here?

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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:40 pm

I am following you Smile

I can leave if you guys dont want me to be here Sad
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:43 pm

By all means, stay, I would love to have you here. Smile And anyone else for that matter.

Also as a side note, anyone who needs to contact me about anything, and I mean ANYTHING, then please feel free to PM me in-forums or in-game or add me to MSN. My e-mail is derakor@hotmail.com

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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:20 am

JohnAKelly wrote:
Dear Voronwe,

The proposed Constitution is posted in the forums so everyone can debate and all its clauses. It also happens to have been published in a forum where anyone can start new threads.

http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-i-and-ii-general-provisions-and-the-fudamental-rights-freedoms-and-duties-t20.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapter-iii-and-iv-the-people-and-the-riigikogu-congress-t21.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-v-and-vi-the-president-of-the-republic-and-the-government-of-the-republic-t22.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-vii-and-viii-legislation-and-the-finance-and-state-budget-t23.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-ix-and-x-foreign-relations-and-international-treaties-and-national-defence-t24.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-xi-xii-and-xiii-the-state-audit-office-the-courts-and-amendment-of-the-constitution-t25.htm

In other words: all of your demands were met before you wrote them, except that nobody but Derakor has had any proposals to make.

"The elections will show our true faces." Not bloody likely.

I stand corrected and apologize. It would be better if the Constitution drafts were to be put in a separate area so that people would realize how important this subject is.
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PostSubject: Re: For all you complainers.   Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:53 pm

JohnAKelly wrote:
Dear Voronwe,

The proposed Constitution is posted in the forums so everyone can debate and all its clauses. It also happens to have been published in a forum where anyone can start new threads.

http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-i-and-ii-general-provisions-and-the-fudamental-rights-freedoms-and-duties-t20.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapter-iii-and-iv-the-people-and-the-riigikogu-congress-t21.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-v-and-vi-the-president-of-the-republic-and-the-government-of-the-republic-t22.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-vii-and-viii-legislation-and-the-finance-and-state-budget-t23.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-ix-and-x-foreign-relations-and-international-treaties-and-national-defence-t24.htm
http://estonia.forumotion.com/political-discussions-f9/chapters-xi-xii-and-xiii-the-state-audit-office-the-courts-and-amendment-of-the-constitution-t25.htm

In other words: all of your demands were met before you wrote them, except that nobody but Derakor has had any proposals to make.

"The elections will show our true faces." Not bloody likely.

i cant view them , should everybody have access to them ?

I DEMAND FREE ACCESS YARRR
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